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Offline IMPz

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New PC required
« on: 13 August 2017, 10:32: PM »
Hi Guys,

Need a new PC, budget no more than £1500, already have two 1440 monitors so i suspect that a 1060/70 GTX will be more than sufficient
suggestion please - don't fancy building my own so a decent retailer required


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Re: New PC required
« Reply #1 on: 13 August 2017, 10:40: PM »
might be worth waiting to see what Vega brings to the table

Offline damien c

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #2 on: 14 August 2017, 06:40: AM »
Go to PCSpecialist and have one built to what you want if you don't want to build it yourself.

Forget about AMD Vega, it's already a failure and hasn't even been relesed yet.

Slower than a 1080Ti, going to use more power than a 1080Ti and cost the same as a 1080Ti all the whilst performing at the 1070 to 1080 levels based of the AMD Vega Frontier Edition that has been released.

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #3 on: 14 August 2017, 09:48: AM »
£1500 should get a good spec machine :tu:

Don't worry too much about tech that isn't here yet.  After all there is always something around the corner.

PC Specialist, Overclockers, Scan (3XS) are the main names that spring to mind for pre built machines.  There is Dell (Alien) and a couple of others but there you are often paying for branding, rather than substance, and there is a risk they will also use custom components rather than generic which limits future upgrade.

For GPU think of the 1070 as the minimum if you have 1440p monitors, you want the machine to have some headroom.  If you can stretch then 1080Ti is much better (I think that the 1080 is now a little bit lost between the 1070 good all rounder and the Ti).

May be worth a look at the AMD Ryzen CPUs as well as Intel.  Depends what else you do with your PC, but if you genuinely do a lot of multithread tasks then the multicore offering of AMD could have advantages.
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Re: New PC required
« Reply #4 on: 16 August 2017, 07:59: PM »
If we assume that I go down the Intel route

what would you recommend, processor/ GPU/ memory - i don't have a clue

TIA

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #5 on: 16 August 2017, 08:32: PM »
i7/1080Ti/16gig
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Re: New PC required
« Reply #6 on: 16 August 2017, 09:16: PM »

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #7 on: 16 August 2017, 10:20: PM »
Now I'm well out of the loop re components but even a quick Google of the main parts excluding mobo comes to less than a grand, surely there must be a bundle deal somewhere ?

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #8 on: 17 August 2017, 07:44: AM »
Impz will you be on TS one of the day's?

Do you really need a whole new pc or do you just need to upgrade your graphics card?

What is the spec of your current pc?
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Re: New PC required
« Reply #9 on: 17 August 2017, 09:07: AM »
My kit is 6 years old - so does not owe me anything and needs replaced

AMD FX - 6100
16Gb RAM
Radeon R9 280

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #10 on: 17 August 2017, 09:21: AM »
My kit is 6 years old - so does not owe me anything and needs replaced

AMD FX - 6100
16Gb RAM
Radeon R9 280

TIA

IMPz

Jump on TS one of the days when you can and we can have a chat.

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #11 on: 17 August 2017, 09:57: AM »
Now I'm well out of the loop re components but even a quick Google of the main parts excluding mobo comes to less than a grand, surely there must be a bundle deal somewhere ?

Yes self assembly will come in cheaper, but Impz doesn't want to do that.  So there is a premium payable for someone putting the machine together for you, but if it's done by a supplier you know that it is all going to work together well, and be nicely balanced.
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Re: New PC required
« Reply #12 on: 17 August 2017, 10:35: AM »
Having just looked on Overclockers there options are coming in at around £200 more than Scan for basically the same system just a different power supply and case.

So I would look at the 3XS systems from Scan, then the Overclocked Gaming Systems, find the 3XS Performance GTX system starting price £1388

Then make the following changes, based of I believe you will probably use your existing hdd's/ssd and copy of windows.

Change Cooler to 3XS Custom Corsair H100 with dual SP120 LED fans

Change GPU to 8GB EVGA GTX 1080 SC ACX 3.0 V2, 1708MHz GPU, 2560 Cores, 10000MHz GDDR5X - GeForce GTX VR Ready

Change PSU to 650W Corsair RMx, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold - Single GPU

Untick SSD/HDD, Wi-Fi card and Windows

Total Price £1495 inc del

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #13 on: 17 August 2017, 10:37: AM »
Will Windows actually transfer to a new motherboard, CPU combo?  So often now it is tied by some weird process to hardware.
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Re: New PC required
« Reply #14 on: 17 August 2017, 10:46: AM »
Should do although you might need to phone Microsoft to activate, I had a issue the other day when I got a board, chip and ram that Windows wouldn't activate using the Windows 10 Key, so I threw in the Windows 8.0 key and it activated no problem.

The problem is buying a whole new pc with everything and wanting either a GTX1070 or GTX1080 with hdd/ssd is going to be around £1600 to £1800 if you go Intel, if you go AMD it's about the same.

That build above with the hdd/ssd, wifi and windows left in is £1734, practically the same build buy with AMD is £1688, the AMD system will be slightly faster at video and photo work but slightly slower in gaming, but also requires almost weekly check's to see if a Ageasa software or firmware update is available and installaing, to get better performance and stability from it.

Also for Zen you need really to be running 3200Mhz ram to get the full speed from the cpu anything less and you are loosing cpu performance granted it's only around 5% to 10% but this is the issue currently facing those who use it, as getting 3200Mhz to work is a PITA for most.

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #15 on: 17 August 2017, 10:52: AM »
There is a downside to every cpu on the market at the moment.

AMD have stability, Power and Memory Issues.

Intel have Heat and Power issues on the X299 platform, whilst on the Z270 platform they have Heat and PCI-E lane issues.


I have a 7700k currently cooled by a Noctua NH-D15, and it is barely cooling it at stock speed, I am going to be spending around £45 soon to buy a tool to De-Lid it, basically taking the IHS the silver part of the cpu that touches the heatsink/waterblock off the cpu and changing the thermal paste under it that touches the die, to some Coolaboratory Liquid Pro, and I will see around a 20c drop in temps per core so I will go from around 80C per core to around 60c per core, but in doing so will void the warranty on the cpu.

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #16 on: 17 August 2017, 11:49: AM »
There is a downside to every cpu on the market at the moment.

AMD have stability, Power and Memory Issues.

Intel have Heat and Power issues on the X299 platform, whilst on the Z270 platform they have Heat and PCI-E lane issues.


I have a 7700k currently cooled by a Noctua NH-D15, and it is barely cooling it at stock speed, I am going to be spending around £45 soon to buy a tool to De-Lid it, basically taking the IHS the silver part of the cpu that touches the heatsink/waterblock off the cpu and changing the thermal paste under it that touches the die, to some Coolaboratory Liquid Pro, and I will see around a 20c drop in temps per core so I will go from around 80C per core to around 60c per core, but in doing so will void the warranty on the cpu.

Presumably you have seen this : https://www.overclockers.co.uk/der8auer-delid-die-mate-2-hs-003-dr.html

But I know you aren't an Overclockers fan.

But for those mere mortals of us will we really notice that the cooling of a CPU, run at stock speeds, isn't perfect, provided we have a decent aftermarket cooler, especially if you fit one of those AIO types you suggest above?

The other question, at least reverting to Impz's budget and needs, is whether an i5, rather than i7 CPU would be a better fit.  After all it sounds like this is a general use gaming PC, rather than something needing a lot of mutithread grunt.  That would then allow the GPU to be as good as possible to power those 1440p monitors.  I suspect the 1070 will be the sweet spot on pricing.  For an all round PC the 1080Ti would be overkill, and above budget (although this week only OcUK have a good deal on a Gigabyte: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080ti-gaming-oc-black-11264mb-gddr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-19h-gi.html) a 1080 might be OK but still pricey.

Not clear from the original specs posted as to what disks Impz has at present.  Yes the new PC needs a decent capacity SSD, 256GB must be a minimum, and I would be looking at 500GB, after all who wants to be messing about moving games from a slow HDD, to SSD just because you feel like playing a different version of something, and they are all getting quite bloated with the added maps.  If Impz has a decent SSD or HDD in the current PC, move that over as a secondary drive, but get a good SSD capacity now with the new PC.
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Re: New PC required
« Reply #17 on: 17 August 2017, 12:06: PM »
Cooling wise if you have a decent after market cooler you will be fine, it's just whilst my temps are fine and acceptable I am personally not happy with them.

I5 Vs I7 is a debate that will run for a long time, currently games tend to favour higher cpu core speed that core count, but the games are now starting to use more and more cpu cores.

The Division uses all 8 threads on my cpu and total cpu usage is in the 90% mark, IIRC Battlefield used around 80% on a I7 and PUBG uses around 60% of my cpu, so games are becoming more core/thread count dependant not just core speed.

500Gb SSD would be best however again dependant on what games you want to play etc pretty soon a 1Tb is going to be a minimum since games now are getting well over 100Gb in size.

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #18 on: 18 August 2017, 09:24: AM »
My kit is 6 years old - so does not owe me anything and needs replaced

AMD FX - 6100
16Gb RAM
Radeon R9 280

TIA

IMPz

Out of interest only, do you know what FPS you're getting in PUBG on this ?

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Re: New PC required
« Reply #19 on: 20 August 2017, 10:46: AM »
in gameplay the FPS is between 35 -45